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It looked to Chandoor like the start of another typical day at Shinto Farm at Cogi.  Since coming over from Europe as a Grand Prix jumper and now being trained for a new career in dressage, he enjoyed the familiar routine: the girls would check the schedule board, coil the leg wraps, brush him and...

But three tiny hairy horses showed up and were actually put in the same stall!

This day is going to be very interesting!

Today George Gullikson, the saddle maker, is making his barn visit and to see the three Icelandic horses.





Now the first Icelandic horse, Somi, is brought to the cross-ties.  George will tell us about the Icelandic horse and compare it with some other breeds.





Along with our horses, we also brought their saddles, made for Icelandic horses in Iceland, and these would be examined, too. 


 

George told us about one of his own horses... 

 

 

Now we bring out Pilatus, another horse.



And then Landi.


These videos raise a number of issues for me.  The first, of course, is whether or not I needed to get a new saddle and if it could be used on both of my horses.  Perhaps Landi would need a corrective pad to bring up his back to fit into the saddle.   Not a great solution, but I am already looking into a corrective pad right away.

Most of the videos that are posted in Hestakaup.com were filmed in Iceland.  I expect that I would have gotten a different assessment of the saddles if I were in Iceland.  On the other hand, I really don't think that there are saddle makers who make calls to barns.  At least none that I have ever heard of. 

And this brings us to the core issue of the care of the Icelandic horse.  Many people, when they buy their Icelandic horse, go the whole route and match the horse with saddle and bridle from Iceland, too.  The assumption is that the Icelanders bred these horses to what they now are and so they should therefore know the appropriate tack and how to make it.  After all, they have had centuries of experience. 

On the other hand, there is some argument that Icelandic horsemanship has been isolated from the progress made in the rest of the world and is only now starting to become aware of developments in training, tack, and general care. 

The Icelandocentric will claim that the most important feature of the Icelandic horse is the tölt and that is the exclusive domain of expertise of the Icelander.  Centuries of experience in riding and breeding for the tölt.  Not!

There is much to suggest that the tölt was only discovered in Iceland by some priests who first wrote about it in the 1850's and prior to that the horses went in a pace to which they were confined by their rigid wooden saddles.  The tölt may have been elsewhere known as a rack or amble in the rest of the world.

Now the tölt is indeed treasured and Icelandic horses are evaluated for breeding with an emphasis on the expression of their tölt.  But as there have been other gaited horses throughout the world it is possible that some other cultures will have knowledge and experience that can benefit the Icelandic horse abroad.

George tells the story of his 46 year-old Morgan who gives children rides 2-3 times a week and he would like to keep her going until she is at least 50 because she has a purpose in life and is healthy.

In Iceland I have heard people marvel that a horse of 18 is still going.  And in one case, a horse that is 23 is still being ridden for round-ups.  But the  competition stallion is going to be ridden for a few years and then used for breeding.  There is always a newer and younger horse coming!

We Americans, who see our horses a comfortable companions on the trail and as pets, have different expectations of longevity than the Icelandic farmer.  Our cultures determine our expectations about the horse. 

The Port Lewis Pad 

A friend of mine, Stephanie Sher, was concerned about saddle fit and she took matters into her own hands.  Several years ago she ordered a Port Lewis Impression Pad which maps the pressure points under the saddle.    She has been generous enough to share her observations with us.

I've had a lot of people come and ride here with their saddles and horses to get a scan.  

What I've learned is that you have to duplicate the amount of time you are mounted every time you try it.  They recommend 20 minutes.  And you've got to keep it from slipping somehow, which I've found difficult.  






The scan of the Keiler shows someone who is riding with most of their weight on one side.  I don't remember who the rider was, and I've never owned a Keiler, but I certainly do have that problem.  




The dressage saddle on Elska shows a badly fitting saddle with lots of bridging  The whiter areas are areas with more pressure which has squeezed out the gel in that spot.  





The same dressage saddle on Ogri.  It fits him better than it did on Elska, but still not great.  






An Australian stock saddle, which clearly fits Ogri better.  This is the one I usually use on him for trail riding.


 



The treeless Bob Marshall sport saddle on Sproti which has really great weight distribution.  

So this gives you an idea what you can see with the Port Lewis Pad.

DISCLAIMER

This website is not supported by advertising and does not endorse any products.  I have not personally tested the Port Lewis Pad myself and am grateful to Stephanie for her contribution.  I asked the company to send me one that I could video on different horses, but they declined on the understandable basis that they are too small to send out product other than for sales.  

Port Lewis also has an interesting correction insert system which I would have liked to include.   

The impression pad is available at various tack stores and online including Saddle Up Tack.  It is sometimes available for rental.  Again, not an endorsement, just a service to guests of Hestakaup.   

 


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Some Thoughts : Eileen Gunipero : http://www.dunneandkrumm.com
I enjoyed these videos! Thanks so much. Very educational.

Some thoughts - Altering the gullet plate with pressure can cause the basic structure of the saddle to be compromised. I would do more research on this suggestion to understand the consequences.

When George talks about "left handed/right handedness" in a horse, it might be interesting to read up on "low heel/high heel syndrome" and how it relates to this uneveness in horses. A good farrier can be a wonderful partner in saddle fitting! You can find related information on the 'net.

His discussion on bridging is interesting. Initially, George addressed this bridging in a positive manner, talking about how he actually builds bridging into a dressage saddle. This is a very contentious subject in saddle geek world. I thought it interesting that he mentioned that a bridged saddle (his example was extreme) would not allow forward motion in the horse. Icelandic horses are all about forwardness. I think for most of the work our horses do, "lightness" may be tolerated but bridging is not desirable. In the last video he addresses bridging as a problem and expresses concerns I'm familar with.

When I watched George use the masher on the Astund, I was hoping he would find the screws that just drop the entire panel! He was unable to find the openings to the panels because they are closed with velcro and literally screw up into the seat of the saddle.

Air panels are - like anything else - not the ultimate solution. They are difficult to adjust, change shape and pressure with variations in temperature and can be as hard on a horse's back as an over inflated basketball.

And ..... the ultimate question (as posed by Sarah!) .... "how ARE you going to ride in that saddle again?" knowing what you know now!

I finally got to view these clips at a hotel in Charlottesville, VA. I will be doing a workshop with Wendy Murdoch and Joyce Harman DVM over the next four days (no egg hunt for me this year!). Dr. Harman wrote "The Horse's Pain Free Back and Saddle Fit Book."

Again - thanks for the view!

Eileen
Dunne & Krumm LLC
March 19, 2008
... : Hope Ellis
Like Eileen, I have been down the saddle fit road for as long as I have had an Icelandic! I have abandoned all of the Icelandic saddles that were recommended by Icelanders/Ice trainers as being the right fit for the horse in question. Down the road with these saddles I had white hair and atrophy that becomes apparent with use. They were all sold at a loss and I continued the search. I am now using treeless saddles, which I don't think are the complete answer either, but better for my two animals.

I think this is such a valuable piece to view -- there should be more done on this subject as our Icelandics are so stoic that they just "keep agoing" whereas other breeds might just put you off and not tolerate the discomfort.

Thanks for the input from this saddlemaker.

Hope Ellis
March 20, 2008
saddle fit : Ed Hilgaertner
I notice that the fitness of the horse has a significant effect on saddle fit. What might "do for now" in early spring limited riding, won't fit at all by the time the NATRC season starts and your horse is in competitive condition.
In any case, the subject is interesting. Thanks for the info.
Ed
March 21, 2008
Shared experience : Neville
Back in January a saddle fitter had a look at my Icelandic and her saddle. He was horrified by the saddle which I got with the horse from an Icelandic trainer, though I believe if did fit OK when I got her but as I have been riding a lot she has dramatically changed shape, though I guess it was always too long. I thought I had done the reading and considered the horse's welfare but I unfortunately let her down. If only they could talk. She's now had about 10 weeks of saddle-less work and I hope to get a new saddle next week. I am looking forward to seeing how her movement changes with a new saddle that does not bridge.

I hope through these videos more people will realise that they need to take more care of saddle fit on their stoic horses.
March 22, 2008
Good job Stan! : Renee Martin
This was an excellent video series you have presented here Stan. I hope many in the Icelandic horse community will glean the good, basic information Mr.Gulikson has presented as to what makes a saddle work, and all too often, what doesn't. I really commend you for putting your own horses and saddles under scrutiny here for the benefit of us all learning from it.

I have been on the saddle fit journey for many years due to having an extremely broad-shouldered and just BROAD Icelandic mare in general. I have gone treeless, as many others have. But I still keep my eye out for that treed saddle that just may work. . .
March 22, 2008
... : Stephanie
Excellent views from someone who has spent years thinking about saddles. There's a lot that he said that I don't agree with, but then I haven't found the perfect saddle yet either. Now I'm trying treeless, in the hope of, "first do no harm". But treeless aren't very stable on beer barrels, and I'm not very bouncy. These films have a lot of meat in them - good job!
Stephanie
April 13, 2008
totally impressed : Mel M. : http://nativespiritisaddlery.com
It's been a pleasure to be able to view these videos. There are so few saddle fitters that take the entire anatomy of the horse to determine saddle structure.

Please may I have an email to contact you? I have a couple of questions as well.

Happy fitting.
Mel M.
April 21, 2008
correction : Mel M.
Please note that I am a satisfied customer of Native Spirit Saddlery and all comments made are my personal opnion only.
Mel M.
April 21, 2008
That opend my eyes! : Sigrún : http://www.blaberid.bloggar.is
Hi, Im a icelandic and it hurt to see that, you really got me thinking.. wow.. I dont think many ppl know that here.. I just cant belive that saddle makers over here would not know stuff like that!!nIs you saddle Hrímnir? cuz if it is Im not gonna get one like Iv planed, it just looked to my like a Hrímnir..nwell anyway im young and I have been thinking of learning to be a saddle maker, I think theres a lot of good that I could do in that field...nthis is good website and I alway point it out when ppl on the web start asking me about the Icelandic..n-------------nSæl Sigrúnnn Thanks for the comment. Thank you for your nice comments about Hestakaup.com. nnI had hoped to film saddle makers and fitting in Iceland, but my proposals were rejected by the Trade Council. nnI am not endorsing any particular saddle, but the ones shown in the video were NOT Hrimner. He did try some Hrimner saddles at a different time and I did not film it. nnThanks for your support and for recommending the site!nnStann
June 19, 2008
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